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Even more if the multiverse theory of the cosmos is true. Kepler and the other planet searches have just scratched the surface, and because of a variety of factors ease of finding planets in tight orbits, or in the case of spectroscopy searches, bigger planets , have been more successful in finding planets much different from earth. If you rely on so many exclusionary criteria to determine what would constitute a successful life-bearing planet — i.

In a few decades, this discussion might be based on more evidence, and less speculation. Bernardz No matter how many billion times billion you have if you multipile by zero it is still zero.

Lynn Munter Your math is correct as far as it goes, but where are you getting that zero from? Bernardz the Fermi Paradox Mike Richardson There are many possible solutions to the Fermi Paradox that do not involve earth being the only planet inhabited by intelligent life.

Bernardz No solution works Scott The best part of the Fermi Paradox everyone forgets about or glosses over are the first two out of 20 explanations. No aliens have ever been found, and there is no proof of Aliens anywhere else. I work in a Scientific field and the logic side of me says to wait and see. It maintains the status quo.

How many more years will we be broadcasting something other civilizations can hear? However, light years is quite a distance. My only position is the entire concept of aliens are unproven. I believe in the provable, and I believe in faith.

However, I never confuse the two. They may have been transmitting for a couple of hundred years then moved on to something more efficient, for instance. Or they may be using satellites beamed back to their planet, and the signals would be way to weak to be heard even a few light years away. People seem to assume that since we discovered radio and are transmitting radio signals that any other intelligent signal would be doing the same for thousands of years.

That is not necessarily the case. GJA Thank you Lynn. Where does the zero come from B? You have very little faith in the terafirma below your feet I suppose. I truly love conversations like this one. For me, and I have always had a deep exploratory interest in topics like this, I find it much more eerie to think we are alone.

Possibly we are alone now due to the Fermi Paradox, but how truly bizarre knowing the sheer numbers of galaxies and the stars in which they are contained, that we are all that ever was or ever will be. My uneducated guess is that we as the human species are not the rulers of this mighty universe. Bernardz A very good book that convinced me years ago that we are alone is The Anthropic Cosmological Principle the other is that there is no answer to the Fermi Paradox Lynn Munter Not all intelligent life may be able or willing to explore space.

Or maybe interstellar space is filled with enough rocks to make it impractically dangerous to spend a lot of time at very high speeds so that your grandkids can find out the hard way if a little dot you saw through a telescope might be a livable planet. Bernardz None of your claims hold up. You just need one colonizer. Let me point out; mankind started in one small part of the Earth and eventually took over all of it.

If there are many advanced civilizations, all have to agree to hide. A colonizer even on conservative estimates would need 10 million to million years to colonize this galaxy everywhere. The only answer that makes sense is NO.

I think your argument definitely is a strong case against massively abundant technological civilizations. As a biomedical researcher, my hypothesis is that life itself is common but multicellular life is exceedingly rare. Earth had bacterial life from almost as soon as it could survive- yet in an Earth full of oceans full of bacteria, it took billions of years to make a eukaryotic cell. I personally doubt that either took place. Just curious, but how do you know that earth had bacterial life from almost as soon as it could survive?

Is this simply what the theory says or do you have evidence of this? When is it thought that bacterial life evolved? When did the earth become full of oceans? Where did the water come from? DrCanada There is no Fermi Paradox. At this point, you just have to believe it happened somewhere, somehow. It is nothing more than a belief. Materialists are believers in their worldview just as Christians are believers in their worldview. Both Christians and Materialists believe in miracles.

Christians have a sufficient cause to explain their miracles whereas Materialists have to simply believe in luck. Randy Johnson Speaking of that vastness of time and space, as the Donald might say, it is really really huuuuge. I find it highly unlikely that in a universe roughly three times as old as our planet no other convergence of the many special circumstances necessary for the development of an advanced civilization somewhat similar to ours occurred.

It is to me reasonable to assume such a thing did occur long before the rise of what happened on this planet out in the boondocks of this galaxy, and that very old civilization has been influencing what has been going on here on our world. There is a lot of evidence for that to be found in places around our world. Now it is easy for me to imagine how the scenario has played out. With our genetic mapping and genetically modified organisms and huge data storage capacity, it seems reasonable to suppose that sometime in the not too distant future complete genome mapping and organism replication will be possible.

It is only logical. We may really be a work in progress and probably so. Others of us do not make that kind of a huge assumption. There is no evidence that it happened here — except the fact that we exist — but that begs the question. It seems far more likely that we are the product of a Creator like the Bible teaches, but in the end, whatever we might believe, it is faith all the way around. Some people will prefer to believe in imaginary aliens. Others will prefer to believe in a Creator.

Each to his own. Easily imagining something is great, but what does that mean? Simply that you have a good imagination. However, your imagination may very well not necessarily have any relationship whatsoever to reality. Randy Johnson The things I mentioned are logical derivations of possibilities based on the many things I am aware of through a long lifetime of reading and watching documentaries concerning scientific developments, and discoveries in archaeology, anthropology, astronomy, physics, history, comparative religious teachings including Christian Bible translations and comparisons and other religious texts, geology, biology, chemistry, whatever.

There are things on this planet that our present level of scientific and technical development can not fully explain yet indicate the direction of research in which fuller explanations lie.

Most people are intellectually lazy and accept the religious teachings faithfully without question. My choice is to study to show myself approved using the ability of my mind, however I came to possess it. If I eventually meet some sort of highly developed being responsible for my abilities in some way, I am confident that being will be appreciative of my efforts and will not spew me out of some orifice in disgust. I recognize that humanity is a work in progress given self awareness and thinking ability meant to be used and clues as to how our abilities are to be used have been left for us.

I seek wisdom to know what to pray for and how to best use the talents I have been given, such as they are, if you can appreciate my Biblical alusions. I urge others to do the same, perhaps with insufficient patience. Perhaps you think that faith has to be blind faith, something that ignores all the evidence and still believes. That is not the kind of faith God asks of us. We believe there are rational grounds for believing in a Creator, for believing in the Bible, etc.

Again, you are free to disagree, but since you cannot prove your beliefs, they remain beliefs and as such are outside the realm of science. If it is just a hypothesis, well, …..

So, now all you have to do is find out if these possibilities are real or imagined! I would submit that there is another possibility that you are ignoring — a God who created you and the universe who revealed Himself through His world, His Word, and His Son, Jesus. I think you misspoke, given the preponderance of evidence otherwise and I am extremely concerned with that evidence in this country. The present GOP domination of the Congress continually ignoring the wishes of the majority of their constituents is nothing less than a continuing erosion of our freedom.

You may be free to think what you want, but your freedom to act on what you think is decreasing day by day and the ALEC organization and your political representatives are steadily gaining on restriction of your freedom. They just lost in Congress an attempt to deny you knowledge of GMOs in your food after winning that denial narrowly in Oregon through massive media buys opposing that freedom before an election.

We are not slaves, but have the opportunity to work hard and make a better life for ourselves — maybe more so here than in any other nation. Randy, perhaps you would rather live in the Middle East or in N. Korea, China, or in Africa, or somewhere else? According to the true meaning of the phrase, it has eroded in your favor already. You already have eroded it in your favor and now you want more? I actually feel like the rights of Christians are being infringed upon.

You and I are the ones who end up paying for that because insurance for all of us goes up to protect against such stuff. And welfare payments are ballooning creating an entitled and dependent majority. No country can withstand this for a long time.

We need to help people get back to work and support themselves. It is good old fashioned hard work and capitalism that has made America great. Greed however is a problem. I understand some of what Bernie says, but on the other hand, if he gets his way, we are going to see the exodus of more and more companies from the US.

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Even more if the multiverse theory of the cosmos is true. Kepler and the other planet searches have just scratched the surface, and because of a variety of factors ease of finding planets in tight orbits, or in the case of spectroscopy searches, bigger planets , have been more successful in finding planets much different from earth.

If you rely on so many exclusionary criteria to determine what would constitute a successful life-bearing planet — i. In a few decades, this discussion might be based on more evidence, and less speculation. Bernardz No matter how many billion times billion you have if you multipile by zero it is still zero. Lynn Munter Your math is correct as far as it goes, but where are you getting that zero from?

Bernardz the Fermi Paradox Mike Richardson There are many possible solutions to the Fermi Paradox that do not involve earth being the only planet inhabited by intelligent life. Bernardz No solution works Scott The best part of the Fermi Paradox everyone forgets about or glosses over are the first two out of 20 explanations. No aliens have ever been found, and there is no proof of Aliens anywhere else.

I work in a Scientific field and the logic side of me says to wait and see. It maintains the status quo. How many more years will we be broadcasting something other civilizations can hear? However, light years is quite a distance. My only position is the entire concept of aliens are unproven.

I believe in the provable, and I believe in faith. However, I never confuse the two. They may have been transmitting for a couple of hundred years then moved on to something more efficient, for instance. Or they may be using satellites beamed back to their planet, and the signals would be way to weak to be heard even a few light years away. People seem to assume that since we discovered radio and are transmitting radio signals that any other intelligent signal would be doing the same for thousands of years.

That is not necessarily the case. GJA Thank you Lynn. Where does the zero come from B? You have very little faith in the terafirma below your feet I suppose. I truly love conversations like this one. For me, and I have always had a deep exploratory interest in topics like this, I find it much more eerie to think we are alone.

Possibly we are alone now due to the Fermi Paradox, but how truly bizarre knowing the sheer numbers of galaxies and the stars in which they are contained, that we are all that ever was or ever will be. My uneducated guess is that we as the human species are not the rulers of this mighty universe.

Bernardz A very good book that convinced me years ago that we are alone is The Anthropic Cosmological Principle the other is that there is no answer to the Fermi Paradox Lynn Munter Not all intelligent life may be able or willing to explore space.

Or maybe interstellar space is filled with enough rocks to make it impractically dangerous to spend a lot of time at very high speeds so that your grandkids can find out the hard way if a little dot you saw through a telescope might be a livable planet. Bernardz None of your claims hold up. You just need one colonizer. Let me point out; mankind started in one small part of the Earth and eventually took over all of it. If there are many advanced civilizations, all have to agree to hide.

A colonizer even on conservative estimates would need 10 million to million years to colonize this galaxy everywhere. The only answer that makes sense is NO. I think your argument definitely is a strong case against massively abundant technological civilizations. As a biomedical researcher, my hypothesis is that life itself is common but multicellular life is exceedingly rare.

Earth had bacterial life from almost as soon as it could survive- yet in an Earth full of oceans full of bacteria, it took billions of years to make a eukaryotic cell. I personally doubt that either took place.

Just curious, but how do you know that earth had bacterial life from almost as soon as it could survive? Is this simply what the theory says or do you have evidence of this? When is it thought that bacterial life evolved? When did the earth become full of oceans? Where did the water come from? DrCanada There is no Fermi Paradox. At this point, you just have to believe it happened somewhere, somehow.

It is nothing more than a belief. Materialists are believers in their worldview just as Christians are believers in their worldview. Both Christians and Materialists believe in miracles. Christians have a sufficient cause to explain their miracles whereas Materialists have to simply believe in luck. Randy Johnson Speaking of that vastness of time and space, as the Donald might say, it is really really huuuuge. I find it highly unlikely that in a universe roughly three times as old as our planet no other convergence of the many special circumstances necessary for the development of an advanced civilization somewhat similar to ours occurred.

It is to me reasonable to assume such a thing did occur long before the rise of what happened on this planet out in the boondocks of this galaxy, and that very old civilization has been influencing what has been going on here on our world. There is a lot of evidence for that to be found in places around our world. Now it is easy for me to imagine how the scenario has played out. With our genetic mapping and genetically modified organisms and huge data storage capacity, it seems reasonable to suppose that sometime in the not too distant future complete genome mapping and organism replication will be possible.

It is only logical. We may really be a work in progress and probably so. Others of us do not make that kind of a huge assumption. There is no evidence that it happened here — except the fact that we exist — but that begs the question. It seems far more likely that we are the product of a Creator like the Bible teaches, but in the end, whatever we might believe, it is faith all the way around.

Some people will prefer to believe in imaginary aliens. Others will prefer to believe in a Creator. Each to his own. Easily imagining something is great, but what does that mean? Simply that you have a good imagination. However, your imagination may very well not necessarily have any relationship whatsoever to reality.

Randy Johnson The things I mentioned are logical derivations of possibilities based on the many things I am aware of through a long lifetime of reading and watching documentaries concerning scientific developments, and discoveries in archaeology, anthropology, astronomy, physics, history, comparative religious teachings including Christian Bible translations and comparisons and other religious texts, geology, biology, chemistry, whatever. There are things on this planet that our present level of scientific and technical development can not fully explain yet indicate the direction of research in which fuller explanations lie.

Most people are intellectually lazy and accept the religious teachings faithfully without question. My choice is to study to show myself approved using the ability of my mind, however I came to possess it. If I eventually meet some sort of highly developed being responsible for my abilities in some way, I am confident that being will be appreciative of my efforts and will not spew me out of some orifice in disgust.

I recognize that humanity is a work in progress given self awareness and thinking ability meant to be used and clues as to how our abilities are to be used have been left for us. I seek wisdom to know what to pray for and how to best use the talents I have been given, such as they are, if you can appreciate my Biblical alusions. I urge others to do the same, perhaps with insufficient patience.

Perhaps you think that faith has to be blind faith, something that ignores all the evidence and still believes.

That is not the kind of faith God asks of us. We believe there are rational grounds for believing in a Creator, for believing in the Bible, etc.

Again, you are free to disagree, but since you cannot prove your beliefs, they remain beliefs and as such are outside the realm of science.

If it is just a hypothesis, well, ….. So, now all you have to do is find out if these possibilities are real or imagined! I would submit that there is another possibility that you are ignoring — a God who created you and the universe who revealed Himself through His world, His Word, and His Son, Jesus.

I think you misspoke, given the preponderance of evidence otherwise and I am extremely concerned with that evidence in this country. The present GOP domination of the Congress continually ignoring the wishes of the majority of their constituents is nothing less than a continuing erosion of our freedom.

You may be free to think what you want, but your freedom to act on what you think is decreasing day by day and the ALEC organization and your political representatives are steadily gaining on restriction of your freedom.

They just lost in Congress an attempt to deny you knowledge of GMOs in your food after winning that denial narrowly in Oregon through massive media buys opposing that freedom before an election.

We are not slaves, but have the opportunity to work hard and make a better life for ourselves — maybe more so here than in any other nation. Randy, perhaps you would rather live in the Middle East or in N. Korea, China, or in Africa, or somewhere else? According to the true meaning of the phrase, it has eroded in your favor already. You already have eroded it in your favor and now you want more? I actually feel like the rights of Christians are being infringed upon. You and I are the ones who end up paying for that because insurance for all of us goes up to protect against such stuff.

And welfare payments are ballooning creating an entitled and dependent majority. No country can withstand this for a long time. We need to help people get back to work and support themselves.

It is good old fashioned hard work and capitalism that has made America great. Greed however is a problem. I understand some of what Bernie says, but on the other hand, if he gets his way, we are going to see the exodus of more and more companies from the US.

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  1. DrCanada There is no Fermi Paradox. TV is great, but some of the stuff that is shown is a poor, even wrong use of that technology.

  2. I think God is happy when we use our God-given abilities and the God-given resources to create things. So, now all you have to do is find out if these possibilities are real or imagined!

  3. She discusses further how her songs are built up in layers and parts, from melodies and background vocals or sounds. Possibly we are alone now due to the Fermi Paradox, but how truly bizarre knowing the sheer numbers of galaxies and the stars in which they are contained, that we are all that ever was or ever will be. You base one unproven fact upon another unproven fact.

  4. There is no evidence that it happened here — except the fact that we exist — but that begs the question. You can even publicly protest against the government — unlike in many other nations. The answer could be everything and it could be nothing, right?

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